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[wickedcherub]

This came up on my FB feed this morning and it rubs me the wrong way, but I don't know how to put it into words, and I love the person who posted it dearly.

Someone have any thoughts or ways to express why it irks me?



It came with the caption: "If we're going to be up in arms about equal rights for all human beings, let's be consistent about it...."

She's a big pro-lifer, extremely Christian, but not in an annoying way. Like, she spends her pro-life energy helping pregnant women in her church find support or finding adoption options for them if they want, as opposed to just telling them they did bad.

She wouldn't mind me being a voice of dissension on her page, and is always up for reasonable discussion instead of 'well the Bible says this'.

eta: I didn't select a mood and it came up as 'pissed off'. Does your mood select itself now?!

Comments

[giselleslash.livejournal.com]

It irks me because so many of the "good Christian people" who are pro-lifers are also anti-gay and to use pro-gay symbols/adverts for pro-life purposes is really fucking insensitive. Imagine what the pro-lifers and pro-m/f marriage people would do if the gays used their symbols/adverts to promote gay marriage/rights?? It wouldn't be pretty.

[skittish-derby.livejournal.com]

it rubs me the wrong way too.. Let's decide what everyone can do with their bodies and genitals! not.

[xfortytwo.livejournal.com]

It rubs me the wrong way, personally, because some people seem to be more preoccupied with the rights of a collection of cells that is not yet even formed into a human being than they are about the rights of people who are born into the world, who are actually people with lives and rights. That we should force people to give birth to another (at the time of birth) human being and then go "bye, you're on your own, welfare queen, here's your hospital bills and your other mouth to feed. Now I'm going to shame you for being a drain on society for needing financial help to support the child we forced you to bring into the world and then I'm going to deny your child rights if it's gay/trans/a woman/other things we don't like."

That is not to say your friend is like that, but this is one of the things that really bugs me about the abortion debate. If we're not willing to fight for the rights of people who are actually alive atm, then don't force more of them into existence. If we're not willing to make the situation livable for the child and the family in question, then don't put the family in the situation we don't want to help fix.

And, even if we did reach a point where we did do all that, the rights of an actually alive human being and their agency over their own body would trump that of something which is not yet actually a person. IMO there's no equality to be had for them because they aren't, in fact, human beings yet.

/long-winded rant

(sorry XD)

[wickedcherub.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I've discussed this with her before, and it all sort of boils down to the point when we decide someone is a person. I mean, if a baby is born at 36 weeks and can survive on its own, it has a right to live, no? What about 34 weeks and just needs to be in the incubator for a bit? And then you just move the line back and it gets a bit fuzzy :(

I don't think it's that much of an issue - simply because people tend to abort babies earlier than later, but our discussions always break down about here.

[san.livejournal.com]

What annoys me about this pic (apart from it being pro-life and me being pro-choice) is that the red equals sign is meant to be a symbol of the [really major] campaign for marriage equality, the outcome of which could be life-changing for the LGBTQ community. It has absolutely nothing to do with the abortion debate. Like, I don't understand why pro-lifers are taking an unrelated campaign (which traditionally goes against ~Christian values~ to boot) and trying to use it for their own agenda? I find it's just really insensitive. :\

[notodette.livejournal.com]

It's appropriating a symbol meant for one message and one group to bring across a message from the other side. Also, as of right now, fetal beings are not legally seen as people. Gay people under any definition are considered people. So there's a huge discrepancy, and one that could be taken further, though I won't do it. On another note, legal gay marriage, besides being the right thing to do, comes along with governmental protections, like insurance coverage, tax breaks and more. Once that baby is born, the government couldn't care less about it, and won't provide even the basest of necessities, so that the comparison doesn't hold water even if you ignore the utter assholishness of it.

IDK, stuff and things. Reasons.

[ms-hecubus.livejournal.com]

Gay adults have full status as human beings, while a fetus doesn't. A fetus isn't equal to me until it is an autonomous person. If a pregnancy threatened my life I would likely terminate it and it wouldn't at all feel the same as if I were to, for example, strangle Delia.